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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:07:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Corral Epiphany has Occurred
From: Peter D Bethke <pdbethke@lassosmart.com>
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Err, isn't that the other way around?

 Conventional Way
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www.mywebsite.com/myspecificpage.lasso

Error.lasso Way
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www.mywebsite.com/default.lasso=mypage=1234

Peter

> From: Jim Van Heule <jvanheule@VHPublications.com>
> Reply-To: corraltalk@corralmethod.org
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 07:21:53 -0400
> To: Multiple recipients of CorralTalk <corraltalk@corralmethod.org>
> Subject: Re: Corral Epiphany has Occurred
> 
> Okay, the one client I'm working on will not allow for bookmaking of the
> site and actually checks for a session cookie. If it does not exist, they
> are sent to the home page.
> 
> For those sites that do want to allow bookmarks and use only one stub file,
> there are two ways it can be done. Both use a form parameter that us used in
> a conditional in the stub file that determines what page variables to set
> which then in turn determines what Include is called.
> 
> Conventional Way
> ================
> 
> www.mywebsite.com/default.lasso=mypage=1234
> 
> Error.lasso Way
> ===============
> www.mywebsite.com/myspecificpage.lasso
> 
> In the error.lasso stub method, the form parameter is actually
> "myspecificpage.lasso" since that page does not actually exist so you are
> sent to the Error.lasso page. I then use conditionals to see what the page
> name is to determine the specific page variables and what include will be
> used. This method fools the search engines into thinking it is working with
> static pages.
> 
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> From: Greg Willits <willitsg@pacbell.net>
> Reply-To: corraltalk@corralmethod.org
> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:33:40 -0700
> To: Multiple recipients of CorralTalk <corraltalk@corralmethod.org>
> Subject: Re: Corral Epiphany has Occurred
> 
> 
> Jim-
> 
> if there's one stub how do people bookmark a specific page on the site, and
> how are you telling that stub what to do? Do all links pass paramaters liks
> "stub.lasso?pg=products" or something?
> 
> ......................................................................
> Greg Willits
> willitsg@pacbell.net
> http://www.turnfast.com/
> http://www.turnfast.com/paddock/talon_48.jpg
> ......................................................................
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jim Van Heule <jvanheule@VHPublications.com>
> Reply-To: corraltalk@corralmethod.org
> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:21:57 -0400
> To: Multiple recipients of CorralTalk <corraltalk@corralmethod.org>
> Subject: Re: Corral Epiphany has Occurred
> 
> 
> Actually, I swing back and forth between one stub and multiple stubs. The
> site I made completely Corral uses the multi-stub method since I was trying
> to follow the white paper as completely as possible, but I see 95% of each
> of my stubs contain the same info. I may end up using conditionals and
> writing it all to one file (without using the error page), but I think it is
> best determined on a case-bt-case basis.
> 
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> From: "Peter D Bethke" <pdbethke@lassosmart.com>
> Reply-To: corraltalk@corralmethod.org
> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:59:39 -0400
> To: Multiple recipients of CorralTalk <corraltalk@corralmethod.org>
> Subject: Re: Corral Epiphany has Occurred
> 
> 
> Tracy,
> 
> Yeah, I need to expand the white paper in a big way. There are definately
> more stub files than one. Stub files essentially replace .html files. One
> stub file per page, each ending in .lasso.
> 
> The alternative method that the ".error" setup uses (discussed by jim
> recently) and the fusebox method is to route all actions through a single
> page. I'm not as much of a fan of that since I love the level of absolute
> control that the stub method offers over pages. The stub file essentially
> allows you to override global variables on a page by page basis by simply
> re-setting a variable, scoped only the that specific page. This is very
> powerful, I have found.
> 
> The white paper is going to be updated this week, in concert with me writing
> my paper for the Summit.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tracy Alan Childers <mailto:lassolist@tracychilders.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of CorralTalk <mailto:corraltalk@lassosmart.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 7:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Corral Epiphany has Occurred
> 
> Greg:
> 
> That's funny. I think I was probably rereading it the same time you were. I
> have not dedicated enough time to the method yet but I'm starting to use
> some of the components. I really like the site_config.inc file. That is
> really helpful. 
> 
> You mentioned the sample files. I'm not sure that I got those yet. Is that
> something other what is referred to in the White Paper?
> 
> I took a look at fusebox.org. They really have some momentum going. I think
> there was all kinds of sample code there. Is there some sample code out
> there already that I'm missing?  Doh, I just found it on the
> corralmethod.org site. I'll have to look through that tonight.
> 
> Best of Luck with your progress. Hopefully I'll get the Epiphany soon too.
> 
> Tracy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: corraltalk@lassosmart.com [mailto:corraltalk@lassosmart.com]On Behalf
> Of Greg Willits
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 12:31 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of CorralTalk
> Subject: Corral Epiphany has Occurred
> 
> I get it! 
> 
> It took a sequence of events to bring it all together, but I do believe I
> get it. Every time I read Peter's paper, my brain was trying to do something
> else, and I just wasn't processing the new terms, site structure, and
> hierarchy. Tonight, I'm totally beat but was determined to read this paper
> again. Being too tired to think about more than one thing at a time, I read
> the paper and looked at the sample files (and for the first time actually
> followed each line of code through the cascading sequence). The essence of
> "duh" was acheived.
> 
> Questions: 
> 
> I thought I had a bunch of questions, but I keep answering them myself
> putting together all the comments of the past weeks on this list.
> 
> I think I only have one question (tonight, anyway), and that's relative to
> stub files & linking within the site. The way the paper is written (or at
> least the way I'm reading it tonight), it seems like there is only one stub
> file per site. Yet, logically I deduce that, in fact, links to pages within
> the site are really links to stub files. Therefore, the navigation system of
> a site is actually navigating a web of stub files which initiate the cascade
> of includes to produce the visible page, an uses the page_template variable
> to specifically identify the unique content for that given page. Is this
> correct?
> 
> Thoughts:
> 
> I'm sure you're all aware by now, I'm not short of opinions :-)  I'll likely
> have more thoughts on some of your "topics" when I'm more alive, but one
> thing I like to help out with, Peter, is some illustrations. I think you
> even mentioned this some while back. Now that I "get it," I'd like to build
> some illustrations to explain the relationship of the files and variables,
> and how they interact. Two versions might be needed: DTP compatible, and
> presentation compatible for your Summit "lecture." (what OS/software will
> you be using?)
> 
> I can do some, let people here pick 'em apart, and eventually get to a good
> final set. Is this something you've already done on your own yet? Do you
> need any help here?
> 
> 
> ......................................................................
> Greg Willits
> willitsg@pacbell.net
> http://www.turnfast.com/
> http://www.turnfast.com/paddock/talon_48.jpg
> ......................................................................
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